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250-287-327 V8 casting variations |
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67Rebel
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Posted: May/26/2015 at 11:16pm |
Hi all, long time reader occasional poster here. I've been doing some digging for a while now and cannot seem to find a definitive answer. Are there variations in the cylinder wall thickness for 250, 287 & 327 Gen 1 V8's?? I'm looking at buying a 287 from a 66 Classic to twin turbo for my Rebel, question is can it be bored to 327. I'm planning on putting 20-25PSI through this block so beefiness is key.
I have read some people say only the early 287 blocks have the thick cylinder walls.. Thanks everyone for your time |
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Lucas660
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I know with my 287 the machine shop said there was not enough material there to make it possible. Each block might be different though.
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66 classic
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I would like to get a definitive answer on this also, I am planning on doing this exact same thing. My 287 is at the machine shop waiting to be tore down for machining, I think a lot of shops don't want to take that much out of the cylinder walls because of the work involved, so they say it cant be done. I would like to know for sure. I will let you know what my shop says.
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Wrambler
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From what I recall the story was that if it is an early 63 287 block it may have the extra metal to bore it to 327.
None that I have heard of recently actually have enough casting to pull it off. I would highly doubt a 66 would be thick enough. Look at the flat behind the right cylinder head, if it is stamped 4 or bare, you've got a chance it will work. Sonic test is the only way to tell for sure.
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Wrambler
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66 classic
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Thanks for the reply, So the stories about all the gen 1 blocks being cast the same are incorrect? What about the other parts like the crank and rods, Will they interchange?
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66 classic
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There is a good post from March 28th that has good info. on this topic.
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dogbone
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my 64 287 was not thick enough. I used a pair of calipers and checked the thickness slipping it down around a water jacket hole.
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67Rebel
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Thanks for the answers everyone. It seems it might be a gamble, I think I'll just try track down a 327 block to be safe. Also has anyone had much experience with the rockers on there engines. I have heard that they can break quiet easily..
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farna
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With twin turbos I doubt you'd notice a lot of difference between the 287 and 327.
Three different castings for the three blocks. There is 1/4" difference between bore of all three (3.5", 3.75", 4.00"), why would anyone cast a block with more than 1/4" thick cylinder walls.... unless it's a super heavy duty diesel. I'm skeptical that any early thick cast blocks actually exists as well. Even for testing, why cast a block like that? Sleeving a 327 would be much cheaper to test with, and AMC wasn't known for wasting resources. A 3/8" cylinder wall block just makes no sense, for any practical purpose. |
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67Rebel
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Thanks for your input Farna. I must have readhundreds of pages of info written by you in the last week. You are a true enthusiast. I see what your saying about the castings, it doesn't seem logical to cast them so thick. However I have read certain theory's that the David Potter V8 was kind of rushed into production and AMC was not too concerned with refining the blocks so used the one casting. I also read in 'The New American Motors V8" one of the design objectives:
"1. An engine that would be flexible enough to be readily adaptable to future displacement requirements, compression-ratio changes, and any of the other forward reaching, revisions of the automotive industry today." 'Future Displacement Requirements' makes me put my thinking cap on.. |
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