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KermitDRambler
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 12:16pm |
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AMC offered the 290 in 1966 for a very short time but I'm not sure they offered it in the American. In 1967, they offered both the 290 and 343. For 1968, you could only get the 290. For 1969, you could get a 290 or, if you ordered an SC/Rambler, the 390.
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MickyVee
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Joined: Mar/25/2012 Location: Newcastle Status: Offline Points: 29 |
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 4:11pm |
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Hey,
Yeah i am not trying to get on anyones nerves, just questioning the idea but i can understand your logic. Im in Newcastle Australia.... Thats my main problem, it is extreamly hard to find Rambler parts over here which is leaving me to look at other options.. Matt, i think i have seen a website or ur restoration work on the rambler in your avatar? |
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tomj
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 4:44pm |
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OK, in Aus I can see your point. Even here, some parts are depressingly hard to find.
While there are certainly many purists -- to each their own, it's your !@$!(! car! -- it's also a reaction to, at least here in the US, the 'stick a tree fitty innit' as if the chevy 350, a fine thing indeed, is the only 'other' engine choice. There are AMC chassis that have problematic situations regarding engines -- i have one, a 'breadbox' American (63). The engine is very ancient, hard to find parts for, etc, and the engine compartment is very very small. With $$$$ you can do anything, and a 350 is just... boring and depressing. You'd get less hassle and more appreciation, in my opinion of the car hobby art, if you chose a non-AMC engine that was particularly well suited for the task; eg. in the pre-64 Americans, a Ford 200, Nissan KA24, ... there's a guy around somewhere with a '58 or '59 beautifully fitting a Quad4. Now THAT is a pretty thing! Even if it wouldn't appease the "restore is the only option!" purists -- and I've met many -- from an enthusiast POV it gets solid nods. it's respectful of the car, appropriately sized (but with a supercharger!), etc. It's your car and your business! This forum has a lot of diversity; lots of people just trying to eke out a few miles from old Betsy, to the AMX/Jav/SC V8 muscle car crowd, and a lot of stuff that doesn't fit any prefab category, like mine. |
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tomj
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 4:46pm |
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...and a faintly warmed over and modernized 258 or better 4.0 will beat a deadstock 290 combo any time. no offense to the 290, it's just that the six is sooo better suited to the chassis and so many perf (and replacement) parts and options available... plus it will just fit right into the hole under the hood.
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6705-5R AUS
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 6:52pm |
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Newcastle, Oz, well welcome, another one of us Ozzies joins the banter. My 232 has enough go without being a tyre shredder. Hey I use it for cruising, not dragging. I rebuilt mine about 3 years ago with the stock cam and put a kit through the carby. Good reliable engine and I would have no doubts that the car would do the lap of Oz without issues. There is a good source of Rambler parts down your way. Get onto Huddy1955 and he will help out. Any chance you could join the gathering for Cooly Rocks this year. I'm told that we should have 20 or so Ramblers.
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6705-5R AUS
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Posted: Mar/29/2012 at 6:54pm |
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By the way, the body is very light so any ncrease in horsepower, even a small one, will be noticed.
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MickyVee
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Posted: Mar/30/2012 at 6:10pm |
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Ok, so light weight body is always gunna help me with power to weight ratio..
So wat about superchaging her? What type, etc? Would a 360 v8 out of an 80s model wagoneer work? |
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Posted: Mar/30/2012 at 10:48pm |
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Yes. The V-8 out of any 72+ Jeep CJ, Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer, big Cherokee, or J-series pickup will work fine. The only problem will be a transmission. The rear end is a bit weak, but will hold up for a cruiser for a while, just loosen then torque the axles nuts to 250-300 ft/lbs. If you run it hard much the stock rear axle won't last long, assuming it's a six cylinder axle (has a fill plug in the back cover, the heavy duty or V-8 axle doesn't have a fill plug in the cover, the plug is in the axle housing up next to the pinion shaft). It will last until you can find a stronger axle, just be a bit easy on it. We typically use a Ford Ranger or narrowed Ford Explorer 8.8" axle over here as a substitute for the AMC 20 axle, since they are hard to find for the small cars. Don't know if that would be a viable option down there, but I'm sure you could find something stronger that is about the same width as the AMC axle. Maybe a late Falcon V-8 axle?
Now for the transmission. The Jeep transmission will be a GM TH-400 up to 1979, a Chrysler TF-727 1980-91. Those trannys are made for a 4x4 transfer case though. To convert to 2WD you need an output shaft and housing from a 2WD TH-400 or TF-727. Doesn't have to be an AMC trans, a standard GM or Chrysler model is fine. The unique to AMC part is the bell housing and main case. The trans has to come all the way apart to change the output shaft though, so basically it has to be rebuilt. All AMCs with 360s and 401s came with a TF-727 from 1972 on, so you can use a car 2WD trans if you find one, but those have to be hard to come by in Oz. Your only other option is to get a GM trans adapter from Novak (my preferred source) or Advance Adapters and use a standard Chevy pattern GM trans. That might be your best solution. |
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mawg
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Posted: Apr/01/2012 at 1:58am |
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Are jeep 4L's common in Oz? Bolts right in, carb or injected, more power and good milage. Do a search, see what you think. Probably cheaper than a sbc too. Oh yeah, welcome to the fourm.
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aussie rambler
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Posted: Apr/01/2012 at 3:44am |
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hi mate !!!
i have a 66 coupe with the std 232 6 , once i went thru the carby, plugs/points/cap/leads it was amazin how betta it idles/ cruizes , and if i nail it will even squeal the rears ..(not that i do it often) and it is really good on fuel , much much betta that my 287 /64 classic it drinks it!!, I got my bits and advice from jeff (rambler spares at castle hill nsw) i think Huddy 1955 is his older brother so like the other post said drop him a line.i tried a bigger holley carb , it ran like dog poo..stick with the std carb ...im thinkin about puttin on a betta exhast system than the std one nothing noisey just something more efficent should help with better go .... see ya in newie mate ![]() |
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bloody mongral bastard ramblers....lol..
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