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    Posted: Aug/06/2007 at 1:58pm
I've discovered that the used head I bought is a from a 2000 model. All I had to do was look at the barcoded sticker on the steel valve cover -- year code is 00. At least I'm assuming that's a 2000. I think the stamped steel cover came out in 99. 

The plan is to use the 2000 head on my 4.6L stroker in my Rambler with a 95 or so HO throttle body with the taper ground out. I need the bigger throttle body, been running with the stock Renix for way to long! I plan on keeping the Renix intake. I was looking for a 99 or later intake, but I'd have to change the power steering pump and some other things. I know I'll need an adapter for the throttle body, but that will be easy enough to make. A 1/4" to 1/2" spacer will be nice anyway! The 87 head needs valve guides -- it will go on my 1983 258 (Jeep J-10). I hope to have a 4V intake and 390 cfm carb for it soon. Will have to see how that goes! Might use a Motorcraft 2100 (or similar 2V) on the 4V intake -- my brother's a Ford man and has a couple of those around.

Someone mentioned that the Renix intake may not seal well to the HO head without some material being added in two places. Later this week (tomorrow?) I'll drag my spare Renix intake out and see what he means. Will also check the Renix exhaust (have a spare!) for fit.

I'm not looking for a lot more power, just good valve guides and seals! I should get a little more power from the higher intake ports and the bigger throttle body though. I've heard that the 96 and later heads are more prone to crack when run hot, but I don't plan on running it hot! Shouldn't be a problem since I'm not porting or anything like that.
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If you were keeping the renix, I've got a 67mm (2-5/8") throttle body and Mopar performance control box.
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PM sent Ron!! 
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Thanks to Ron I now have a bored out Renix throttle body! Much easier to bolt that on than to modify an HO TB and make an adapter. He also offered me a used Jeep performance computer that has a bit better fuel map and timing curve. It was an offer I couldn't refuse! Not sure when I'll try that, have the head work to do.

I have the head cleaned now, ordered a head gasket set and will pick that up tomorrow. Has anyone put a 91+ HO head on a Renix block? I know the ports are higher on the HO head, but are the push rods the same length, or will I need HO push rods? I haven't taken the engine apart yet, and want to make sure I have everything on hand so the head swap goes quick.

I discovered the problem with using a Renix intake, and a solution. Someone told me they had done this, and added some material (by welding) to the top of the port area on the Renix intake so it would seal. Well, that works, but creates a port misalignment. So what I'm going to do is fill in the alignment dowel holes on the intake with epoxy then drill new alignment holes roughly 1/8" lower (I'll measure closely!). That will bring the intake back into proper alignment. I might have to make some steel plates to clamp the intake on that way though.

I cleaned my spare intake. It came from an engine that obviously was burning oil -- there was a lot of gunk built up inside the intake. I used oven cleaner to get most off, and foamed the inside of the intake really good with the stuff. I let it sit for about 15 minutes and most came right off. A bit of scraping the tough spots and another coat should finish it up, especially since it went in an oven this time!

No, not in the kitchen! The old range in our house went (I'm living in and remodeling my grandmother's old house). It was just the oven thermostat, but that's a $200 part on a self-cleaning oven!! $250 to repair, so we bought a new one.  The old one is in my shop now. It gets up to temp just fine, but once the thermostat turns the oven off, it won't turn it back on to maintain temp. If you bump the temp up a little it will come back on until the new temp is reached. I figured I'd set it at 500 with the oven cleaner coated intake inside. It should hold temp a while, and slowly cool down. Then I'll take it out and hose it off. Should work well, waiting for it to cool down now. If it does, I'm going to see if the whole head will go in at an angle. Might put the oven on "clean" (about 750 degrees) with the iron head, didn't want to try that with the aluminum intake. It won't melt I know, but afraid it might warp. I know the iron head won't, machine shops "cook" off grease and such now. I don't know if they put aluminum intakes in their ovens though -- probably so. They likely put aluminum blocks and heads in, but they are a bit sturdier than a long I-6 intake.
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Well, the oven at 500 degrees didn't help much. I guess I'd have to put it on "clean" to get hot enough to burn anything off. I think it helped a little (I used oven cleaner on it as well), but not what I'd hoped. Might try some cast iron part on "clean" one day, don't want to experiment on an aluminum intake! 
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I have had a 4.0 intake powder coated that had oil deposits like you describe. They put it in there oven to burn it off (the oven that flows out the powder) and I had no problems with leaks when it was installed so I don't think it will warp. They also said that the had to cook it a few times to get all of the deposits out of the intake.
 
Now a question or two, is it easy to install the renix injection in a car? I want to convert a 82 spirit over to fuel injection and I am trying to find the best system. I understand the 91-98 system a lot better than renix so any info would help.


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frank as long as you keep it under 1220 degrees (F) you'll be fine!
Otherwise, you'll be scooping it off the bottom of the oven cavity!

I strongly doubt you'll warp it. Imagine the heat where the parts are near the exhaust compared to the top or ends.
If you are concerned, make a steel plate and bolt it to the plate to hold the shape. And sit it so it's level and flat on the mounting surface. I wouldn't expect warpage if it's sitting square or flat. It won't be THAT hot, and it's been trough many heat/cool cycles already.
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I warped a bellhousing at ~500 degrees in my machininst's oven. It distorted it enough that it would line up on the block anymore. IIRC he bakes aluminum at around 400 degrees, but doesn't like to doing it because of the risk involved.
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I did a quick search and came up with a 320-410 degree range for powder coating. 475-500 degrees didn't do much more than spread the discoloration around a bit more! I cleaned with oven cleaner (cold, but let it set a couple hours) again to see if it took any off, but it didn't do anything. I'll just have to take a wire wheel on a drill to it to clean it up nice. The deposits on the inside aren't good for airflow, but it's mostly discoloration -- no thick or heavy deposits (those came off w/ the oven cleaner the first time -- before heat). Might see if I can find a wire "bottle" brush, cut the handle off, and chuck that in the drill to clean the runners. 
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