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    Posted: Mar/25/2015 at 8:23pm
Just purchased a 1973 Javelin  -  do not think it is the AMX version, has a 304 with spd manual.   Have read a bit about other engines and trans that come with differenct Javelins,   like this one because of solid, straight body, great interior.    Will mess with it for a long time before changing but wondering if 360 or bigger would be a good engine swap for it  -  would it be a lot more power for the cost and effort, or is it better to modify the 304 which is all stock at this point.
 
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The 360 is a big improvement over a 304. In 1970, a 4 barrel 360 was rated 290 horsepower gross. The 2 barrel 304 was rated 210 horsepower. Add the 4 barrel and dual exhaust to the 304, and you might pick up 20-25 horsepower.

When the ratings changed to net horsepower in 1972, the difference was between 220 and 150 hp.
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Welcome Charles.
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360ci,2v,727TC. Motorola Multiplex with 8-Track.
G4 Plum exterior with 421Q Black Uganda Interior. Purchased on July 16, 1974 from Hooker AMC, Sherman, TX for $4500.20
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a mild 360 will out run a 304. but if the 304 runs well, and you are happy with it, you could leave it in.   BUT if you change to a 360 or 401, you must get the correct flywheel. a 304 flywheel will NOT work with a 360.
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How much HP does it take to go 9/10 faster in the 1/4 mile?



That's how much faster I went with just slapping a 4bbl on a stock 304.
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Originally posted by nda racer nda racer wrote:

How much HP does it take to go 9/10 faster in the 1/4 mile?



That's how much faster I went with just slapping a 4bbl on a stock 304.
lol. I did go about 5/10ths faster. Edelbrock performer, 600 carter.
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Eddy Performer and Holley 1850 600 Vac with the check ball removed. Stock spring and check ball still in, yeah only 5-6/10s
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Originally posted by nda racer nda racer wrote:

How much HP does it take to go 9/10 faster in the 1/4 mile?



That's how much faster I went with just slapping a 4bbl on a stock 304.
AMC rated the 290-2 barrel, single exhaust, 9:1 c.r. at 200 hp. With a one point increase in comp ratio to 10:1, a dual exhaust, and a 4 barrel, they rated it 25 more hp at 225. I believe something was wrong with your 2 barrel.
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A 360 is just a nice engine all of the way around. Despite the family interchangeability between a 360 and the other engines, no matter pretty much what you do one of them, doing it to a 360 gives you a bigger bang for the buck and a lot more available parts are there as it was used for such a long period of time.
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Thanks for the welcome and some great initial suggestions!  Any tips are appreciated, adding 4 barrel and dual makes great sense, then if I swap to a 360 down the road, I believe that the new Carb and exhaust would stay with it -  If I get a new Edelbrock Intake to accomadate the new 4 barrel, not sure if that would also go on the 360.  (great tip on change of flywheel).
 
I remember in high school days my chevelle with a 3 spd manual had just a 283 but it was plenty of power -  It seemed like it had been geared special or maybe it was the 3 spd but you really felt the quickness and power in first 2 gears.
 
It will be great when my 73 Javelin gets here, I expect the same quick power at low gears, but adding 4 barrel and dual exhaust would be a fun first improvement to work on and it sounds like it would make a difference I could feel and certainly hear.   What would be a good suggestion for a dual exhaust set up if I went with addtion of a 4 barrel to the 304  -  headers to glass packs to resinators -small regular mufflers after the glass packs maybe? - would be going for best sound but not obnoxious and of course best for performance  -  thanks - it's great reading your comments!Smile
 
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