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emspaul
AMC Apprentice Joined: Apr/02/2013 Location: Quincy Ma. Status: Offline Points: 181 |
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Thanks for all the well wishes.
I need some advice and ideas on what I can and can`t do with this car. These are some of the things I would like to do. I would like to put either a 4 speed or 5 speed tranny into it. It has 3 speed in it now. I would like to swap out the rear end ,I have a rear end sitting under the bench out of a Ford Ranger. will this fit? Or is there something that will fit better with less modifying ? I am having a brake issue. I swapped out the front drums brakes to a rotor and caliper set up. I have fluid every where but still no real pedal pressure to speak of. I just ordered a disc brake master this last weekend, I should have it by Tuesday. Do I need to swap out the booster too? I would also like to add a rac and pinon steering set up. In the next 2 weeks I plan on pulling off the front end and having it sand blasted and primed. Should I start rebuilding the wire harness while I have it out of the car? Or can I get away with the old one? The plan is to put a GM one wire Alternator in this year. Wiring is not an issue for me, I kind of like doing it. In time i want add some of todays modern comforts to the car without changing the way it looks. Thanks Paul Edited by emspaul - Apr/14/2013 at 12:00pm |
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White70JavelinSST
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Edited by White70JavelinSST - Apr/15/2013 at 6:50pm |
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70 Javelin SST, second owner, purchased 1972
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emspaul
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Thanks Armand
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FuzzFace2
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What Arand said. I too installed a Mustang T5 in place of my T10 4sp easy swap. I just cannot tell you how it runs as I have not had it on the road yet but everyone loves them. You should have a corporate 20 rear and it is strong with an 8-7/8” ring gear. As said the weak link is the axles and if you go with 1 piece you will be all set. Yes I run Moser axles in my drag car with slicks. My street car had 4 piston disc on it so all I did was swap to 83 Concord calipers. Drag car went from power 4 drum setup to man. Disc from a 76 Gremlin – master/pedals/disc setup. After the new disc master if you still have issues post up in the brake area what you have done and what the issues are and we will try and help. For the R&P there is not “bolt in kit” without replacing everything up front. The Control Freaks set up I think is the way to go. My drag car I pulled the power box for a man. Box from a mid 80”s S10 4x4. When I get the street car on the road if I don’t like the feel of the power box I will have it rebuilt with quicker ratio parts. Wiring: Drag car I pulled out the stock wire and ran new for what I needed. Street car I pulled the harness out so I could check it over. It was in good shape other than under hood for the ALT & REG as the PO installed a GM ALT and did a hack job. Once fixed everything works as should and looks good too. Don’t go with 1 wire do a search to find out why. Modern comfort? Well the street car is a little more on the hidden custom side. The GM ALT is done and looks stock, front & rear sway bars w/ KYB shocks, headers & duel pipes – yea none hidden really. Custom dash overlay and gauges the look stock when you first look at them. Outside lighting will be LED with custom head/turn/driving lights that look stock, same out back. I also have others but don’t want to give them away just yet ;) and yes both the drag & street cars are 70 Javelins Dave ---- |
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emspaul
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Okay,
I have been looking around and can find Mustang T5, But the question is what bell housing ,will the front shaft line up with the 304 clutch and throw out bearing? I would like to have all of the parts at the shop before I start. Would hate to start it and go OH S&^* I need another piece . Pulled the car out of storage on Monday and put it up in the air tonight. I could not find any Axle tags on the rear end, but I did a bolt count, It has 12 bolts on the rear cover? Does this help me identify what axle is in there?Tomorrow night I plan on looking at the brake issue. Paul
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ramblinrev
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I moved this topic to Transmission & Drivetrain because things seemed to be heading in this direction!
Paul Mittermaier Moderator |
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FuzzFace2
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Bell Housing: - AMC Bellhousing from an SR-4 or T4 or T5 equipped car. This could be anything from 1977 and up, including Eagles! you need the 6 1/2" bell Trans Mount: Trans mount, local parts store. 73 Mustang application Crossmember: stock AMC, moved to rearmost holes, fabbed adapter between cross member & tranny mount Tranny mount: 73 Mustang Clutch Assy.: 77 Jeep V8 application spec'ed for a 78 304 Jeep disc, pressure plate, TO bearing. Must have 1 1/16” hub NOT the 1 1/8”
ID OD Length Dorman # SR4 .673 1.056 .626 690-043 AMC T5 .592 1.055 .624 690-064 Ford T5 .680 1.378 .733 690-083 Fuzz, The pilot bushing I used was part # PB-76HD. I can't remember the manufacturer, but I did get it at Advance Auto. The one that came with my clutch set looked like trash, so i did not use it. Scott Goggle info I found. BCA/NATIONAL Part # PB76HD {Bushing O.D.=1.0555" Width=0.63" Bore=0.673"} Dave ---- Edited by FuzzFace2 - Apr/17/2013 at 9:16pm |
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FuzzFace2
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I do not know how much searching of posts for this but the only thing not listed is you need to mod the mustang front bearing support or buy one for an AMC Jeep. I bought the Jeep one because finding a machine shop around here to mod the ford one is out and the Jeep one is stronger as it is all steel not alum like the ford one.
Dave ---- Edited by FuzzFace2 - Apr/18/2013 at 7:20pm |
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White70JavelinSST
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What Dave said,
and if you need parts for the T5 here's a great source with great information on the rebuild. http://www.hanlonmotorsports.com/?q=node/3
Dave, I think the pilot bushing is the same one from a Jeep with a 304 in it and a 3 speed manual, OReilly #PB76HD. Napa has them too as I'm sure others parts suppliers do.
The clutch pressure plate is an AMC unit from the V8s or a Chev V8 unit is the same. The clutch disc can be from a Ford V8 as long as it is the correct diameter, 10-1/2" and has the 1-1/16 10 spline hub.
The are stamped numbers on the center section of the rear axle. IIRC they are stamped onto the drivers side by the area of the mating surface of the cover. I can't remember what the codes mean or how to determine by the codes if it's Twip grip. Twin grip equipped cars had a decal sticker on the inside of the trunk lid describing what not to do when one tire is off the gorund. Chances are it is not twin grip, but a twin grip from any AMC 20 rear end will swap in or aftermarket units too. There are three different units iirc for different ratio ring and pinion.
Armand
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69amxman
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If your going with the new t5 z trans be sure to measure your bearing retainer as I had to cut mine down , found out the hard way the clutch will weld it self to the retainer not a good thing , I used the 6.5 bell it's a 69 343 amx was auto now 5 speed all worth it in the end
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