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BBO Spirit AMX 
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 Posted: Oct/30/2011 at 6:03pm |
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Very nice looking car!!! I like the color. Gotta love the 64'-65' body style. My 65' was my first car, still have it but now a 360 4 speed drive train, a blast to drive. You should get great MPG's with the six in the car. You're doing great work!!!
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440H
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Posted: Nov/02/2011 at 10:11pm |
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Nice work kidster, looking very good, the detail is great.. thumbs up !!!!
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kiddster7
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Posted: Jan/12/2012 at 11:21pm |
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I know I'm opening up a can of worms asking this, but I've run out of ideas. I can't get my engine to turn over. Here are the particulars, and hopefully I'll weed out the sarcastic answers.
196 OHV engine, rebuilt from the ground up. From a very reputable guy. I turn the key, and I hear a hard click. Leave the key turned for a second more and the starter starts to humn. Brand new starter. The torque converter/flywheel is painted blue. Took starter off, blue paint chips in between the grooves on the gearshaft, leading me to believe it is engaging properly. Taking a socket and breaker bar to the damper pulley bolt. All I seem to do is just keep tightening the bolt. I don't want to keep going for fear of ruining the threads on the bolt and inside the crankshaft slot. I used quite a bit of muscle, and it still would not turn the engine. The guy who rebuilt the engine said that there is a rope seal inside making it tough to turn. Is there anything that might be hindering the crankshaft? There is no play what soever. The rebuilt engine has been sitting for 5 months, inside a shop in Atlanta with the plugs out. Could there be a condensation factor hear, and it has seized? Here is a picture of the cranksaft end with the damper pulled off. Does the woodruff key look odd? Should it go in that slot?  Woodruff key by kiddster7, on Flickr Any help or suggestion would be greatly appreciated, even if it is something simple. Thanks guys.
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pacerman
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Posted: Jan/13/2012 at 12:03am |
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It looks like you have the splash shield (part with the notch in it) out of place. The shield should be lined up with the key slot and key and should be free to move behind the balancer assembly. It looks like you have bent it so it is pressing against something (crank timing gear?). Pull the timing cover plate and line everything up and check for bent parts. You can check to see if the engine is free without reinstalling the balancer by levering against the teeth on the flex plate or flywheel with a big screwdriver. BTW a rope seal, properly installed, will not make the engine hard to turn. Joe
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FuzzFace2
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Posted: Jan/13/2012 at 3:17pm |
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Who installed the motor? If it does not turn over how did they get the converter bolt in? If it cranked over to get the bolts in what was done after that as that is what is causing it not to turn over. I was thinking flex plate bolts too long hitting the block and keeping it from turning but again how was the converter installed???? Dave ---- |
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kiddster7
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Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 10:15am |
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So I removed the transmission to check on the flex plate-converter bolts to double check everything.
Previously,  DSC00602 by kiddster7, on Flickr I installed the torque converter but didn't rotate the crank to get to each bolt. I loosened the flex plate and put the bolts through their holes, and then tightened the flex plate back on. Since the gap is so small, the bolts didn't fall out of place, and I was able to use a wrench to tighten them. Since I could only do this with the wrench and not a torque wrench, I thought that maybe one was loose and blocking the whole assembly from rotating. Everything looked fine, so with the tranny removed, I tried the starter and it worked no problem! So I put the tranny back in and kept it a little loose and tried the starter again. Again, it worked no problem. The guy who rebuilt the motor suggested that I hadn't lined up the tranny to the converrter properly and when I torked it all down, the tranny (even though it was in nuetral) had locked it all in place. So everything seems to be working just fine. The crank is rotating with no problems. Thanks for the help. It really is great how everyone here responds quickly with great advice! |
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pacerman
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Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 11:26am |
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I'm pleased that you seem to have found the problem. I don't want to rain on your parade and I'm hoping for the best but if the torque convertor wasn't properly engaged in the pump when you tightened up the bellhousing on your previous attempt, the pump could be damaged. The TSM contains a warning about that. I'm hoping that you dodged that bullet. Let us know how it comes out. Joe
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kiddster7
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Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 11:45am |
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Ha, the way this has been going, I wouldn't be surprised if I did. I'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks
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FuzzFace2
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Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 1:04pm |
BTW I was close just wrong side of the converter ;)
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kiddster7
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Posted: Jan/17/2012 at 5:29pm |
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Thanks Dave. That's how I got the converter off by unbolting them from the bottom. If I have any problems in the future, I will now know how to install it properly.
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