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cityjake
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Posted: Apr/23/2019 at 1:53pm |
Noob question (I tried searching, but nothing quite on topic): When was the 199 engine first used? I thought 1965. Is it possible for a 1964 Classic to have the 199, or would all '64s have the 196? |
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ramblinrev
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If you're referring to the one on Milwaukee/Racine Craigslist, that has a 196 cast iron motor in it, but it's listed as a 199. You are right that no 1964 Ramblers came with a 199. The standard engine would have been 196 cast iron; the aluminum 196 was available. A late-build Classic could have had a 232, and then someone could have changed it for a 199 (essentially the same motor).
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cityjake
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That's the one! Thanks for info and confirmation.
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ramblinrev
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Having said that, a 199 would be a much-preferred engine to a 196 (much more modern, easy to get parts for.) But a 196, well cared for, and not driven too hard can move the car around fine. I think that wagon is a nice project, probably a bit optimistic on price.
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74 Hornet Hatchback X twins (since 1977)
62 American Convertible (still worth the $50 I spent in 1973!) AMCRC #513, AMO #384 70 AMX 360 4-speed (since 1981) |
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cityjake
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That's sort of what I thought from researching here -- and why I was checking. The 196 isn't a deal breaker, by any means, but the 199 would be better (and likely reflected in the price). Since this would be my intro to wrenching, I'm being cautious. I love the wagons. Looking for something durable and in pretty original condition. Thanks again!
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Gisulf
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Good luck, I hope you find a good car.
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330inthemorning
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the ad has since been updated to reflect the proper engine.
looks like a solid car to me. he says it's an AZ car. my '64 american wagon has a 195.6 OHV. i like it. it's not fast, and it's a slightly-modded 1930's design, but it seems to be a decent engine. everyone complains that you have to re-torque the head every few thousand miles, but after messing around with 2-stroke mopeds that i made go faster than they should go, this doesn't seem like a big deal to me. i actually have a 199 that someone gave me, but i'm not going to fix what isn't broken. it's not exactly a bolt-and-go to put a 199 in a '64 american. i wouldn't write off that car, but i like base-model wagons w/ manual transmissions. my GF is in WI visiting family as we speak. i'm half-temped to go get it and drive back with her! not really, but i'd be lying if i said i hadn't thought about it. i can't tell by the picture if that 550 wagon has an overdrive or not, and the seller didn't mention it. the OD is what sold me on mine. it's a cool feature, and if you're into having a vintage car that gets really good MPG, that drivetrain is a good one to have. i thought that valve cover should be lancelot turquoise, but i read somewhere that some of the valve covers on the '64-'66 engines were rampart red.
Edited by 330inthemorning - Apr/23/2019 at 10:15pm |
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tomj
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that's actually a knowledgeable question, you're a heck of a newbie :-) the 195.6 ohv engine would be working very hard in a classic wagon, and that transmission is definitely not up to the task. if it's lasted this long someone's done something right. that combo is adequate in the much smaller american, but an hour "ordinary" highway speeds (which didnt exist then) will be pushing it. the cooling system is obvious, and with care, you can make that right, it's not rocket science, just care, and components in good condition and all that. but engine oiling is severely taxed at sustained speeds. you don't have to take my word for it; screw an electric temperature sender into the far end oil gallery (1/8" NPT), a Stewart Warner sensor will not protrude enough to block flow. i got 230F there after 10 miles of 60 or 65 mph. 230 is OK but that's not much of a load, and oil temp will lower viscosity and threatening damage to bearings. and in my lightened American. i would love it if someone else could measure oil temps at speed, the data would be useful to us all. a 63 classic wagon weighs 3200 lbs (i weighed one on a truck scale). the T96 is undersized too. if you keep that in mind i'm sure you can make it go and stay reliable. the motor can be made reliable no problem, just can't get as casual abount maintenance as you can with the 232 series. i wouldn't haul any trailers with that transmission! lol. |
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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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cityjake
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Thanks all! I appreciate all of the information and assistance -- this forum has been a great resource. The location and the original condition were what drew me to that one, but the Classic really is a bit bigger than I'm looking for. I've really been looking for an American wagon. Thanks for confirming my suspicion. I certainly won't write this one off, but this is just the kind of information I'm looking for -- part of the problem of being a noob is not knowing how much you don't know. Very helpful indeed to have the benefit of everyone's experience. I'm trying to get a first wrenching project that keeps me at it, rather than turns me off. Tall order, I know. 330 -- I actually looked at your American. It looks to be a good project, but getting it to midwest from AZ is above my pay-grade at this stage. Now if you were in WI... My mom had a Concord wagon w 4WD when I was in HS. Maybe I should look at those.... Thanks again everyone! Keep up the great work! |
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67 american 290/4speed |
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