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Rambler 1963 AMC
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Posted: Jul/10/2017 at 10:15pm |
I bought a 63 Rambler American with a B/W auto trans . I thought it was a old 2 speed type trans as it only shifted once in drive . Low to high gear . Shifting was fine and no slipping . Later found out it was a 3 speed .
Decided to find out what the problems was . Linkage was fine , so dropped the pan and it was very clean with little or no junk on the bottom . Fluid was also unburnt and red . Cleaned out the valve body also pretty clean but the front servo had not been adjusted at all . The bolt was back all the way out so just the arm was touching the servo . Adjusted the bolt as the manual stated and put it all back together . Filled it with new F type fluid and put it in reverse and off we went . It shifted in to 3 gear for the first time since I owned it ! Both D1 and D2 worked now ! came home and let it set awhile . Then went to go out for another drive and now no reverse . First drive it worked just as it always did , no slips and a firm engage . Now it goes in gear but you can hear the pump or convert going and a slight engagement but not enough to move it backwards . Pop it in drive and it goes right in gear . push it out of the driveway and all front gears still work fine . The car will roll just slightly forward in the driveway in neutral , drop it into reverse and it will stop moving but not go backwards . The more RPMs you give it seams to make it work even less . Any ideas ? Stuck valve ? Something shot now after driving in 2 gear all this time ? Always kept it around 45 mph around town and no highway driving . Thank you for any ideas
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Buzzman72
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ALL AMC transmissions use Type A/Dexron ATF from the factory.
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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
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amc67rogue
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Did you adjust the rear servo? Rear servo is used in reverse and manual low. You were never driving around is 2nd. all the time . It was starting out in 2nd. then shifting into 3rd.
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Keith Coggins 67Rogue X code
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Rambler 1963 AMC
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Yes rear servo is adjusted and manual low works as it should .
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Rambler 1963 AMC
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Borg warner transmissions used type F, only when AMC switch to Chrysler type transmissions did they use Dexron . Thanks . |
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Buzzman72
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I would trust the "gurus".... http://theamcforum.com/forum/amc-transmission-fluid-specs-all-autos_topic18057.html |
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Buzzman72...void where prohibited, your mileage may vary, objects in mirror may be closer than they appear, and alcohol may intensify any side effects.
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Ken Doyle
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I've owned 8 Ramblers built from 1960 to 1969 and I used Dextron in every one of them with excellent results.
Edited by Ken Doyle - Jul/13/2017 at 1:46pm |
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tomj
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i had a '65 air-cooled aluminum cased Borg Warner auto in a 63 classic with a 232. i ran the best quality Dexron (Dexron II). drove it 21 years, two full rebuilds, i personally drove 350,000 miles on it. i changed fluid every 2 - 5 years, i don't care what conventional wisdom is there, when i had bands adjusted. i figured maintenance is cheaper than ruined trips. it never failed, i always had plenty of notice of rebuilds ("its running out of band adjustment") and a slight delay going into gear when cold. keep the throttle cable adjusted by the TSM.
the first transmission expert i had work on that thing said that the modern chemicals today are so superior to the old stuff there's no contest. Dexron is the way to go today. |
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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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amc67rogue
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When you drive it in manual LOW do you feel engine breaking when you take you're foot off the gas pedal ???????
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Keith Coggins 67Rogue X code
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vinny
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One that I took apart had a broken adjuster bolt on the front servo. From all the slack to the piston it had cocked sideways and the o-ring had blown out. I would check the servos if you can but I don't remember how accessible they are or what you have to do to get at them.
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