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DocCreer
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Posted: May/31/2012 at 2:20pm |
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Well if you ever need any help gimme a call....the flexplate was good on that car.
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Posted: May/31/2012 at 2:58pm |
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Best way to put it, lop that sucker off nice and flat. There is no lip.
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Posted: Jun/01/2012 at 4:13pm |
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The "volcano" crank was used 62 and earlier with auto trannys. All stick shifts are flat cranks. 63+ aluminum auto trans engines use a flat crank also, same as the stick shifts. Some 62 Americans may also have the flat crank with auto, should be an aluminum auto (not cast iron -- all prior to mid 62 had cast iron auto trannys).
The crank has to come out to have the "volcano" machined off. If you put the crank back in the same engine it came out of with the bearings in the same places you don't HAVE to change them. You may want to once you look at the bearings, but if no copper is showing you're safe to put them back in. It's okay if there is a little copper showing one the ends where the bearing halves come together, you're really more concerned about the middle of the bearing. A few light scratches is normal also, don't worry about those. If you swap cranks from another motor you can theoretically pull the bearings from that motor and put them in EXACTLY THE SAME POSITION in the "new" motor and they should be fine. I say "theoretically" because all motors may not be aligned exactly the same. Should work with no real problems though. It's preferred to have the crank checked and turned if necessary, then new bearings installed in either case, but unless you're planning on rebuilding the short block (new pistons and rings in a bored block) then you may as well reuse the bearings. If the bearings are worn a bit but not real bad you can put new same size bearings in and it will last 20-30K miles at least. Check the back of the lower bearing half. There will be a size stamped in one end. AMC did send some motors out with 0.010" oversize bearings, so it could be standard or 0.010" over and still be factory. Anything over 0.010" and the engine has been rebuilt (or at least crank replaced). Edited by farna - Jun/01/2012 at 4:15pm |
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Posted: Jun/01/2012 at 4:22pm |
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The flexplate is just a flat plate as someone said already. You can have a local machine shop make one from a high grade stainless steel or a hardened plate. A plain rolled steel plate is soft enough that the holes will "wallow" out. You might be able to use plain steel with grade 8 washers welded on where the holes for through. There was a ring with holes in it around the crankshaft bolts to double the flexplate in that area. I'd be comfortable with plain steel and the plain steel ring on the crank, but the torque converter bolts further out have more force applied to them due to greater leverage. The originals crack over time because they are a hardened steel plate. The hardening process used makes the plate brittle, and it only gets worse over time with engine/trans heat cycles.
www.southtexasamc.com sells a replacement flexplate as well as other AMC vendors. Talk to a local machine shop. They may be able to make you one for the same (or less) as getting one shipped over. |
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Posted: Jun/01/2012 at 9:14pm |
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The automatic transmission change to the aluminum Borg Warner happened at the beginning of the '62 model run. I have two of them built in September of 1961 with the aluminum automatics.
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Posted: Jun/02/2012 at 7:02am |
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But only on the Americans... or maybe it was mid year or later when the change occurred. Every 62 Classic I've seen still has the "volcano" crank. I thought all 62 models had the flat crank with auto until one of the members here pointed out that his 62 Classic (and several others he'd seen while gathering parts) used the "volcano" crank.
Edited by farna - Jun/02/2012 at 7:03am |
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Posted: Jun/02/2012 at 9:05am |
I'll stick with my insistence that the switch to BW aluminum case on the 6 cylinders happened at the start of the '62 model year. I have a '62 only AMC parts book. It lists one automatic for the Classic, not two (and the parts books are usually very good at documenting running changes, especially a big one like this.) I also have a '60-65 parts book. There is one automatic trans listed for '62-63 Classics (and that would be the T35!). I also have '62 Technical Service Bulletins, dated, documenting the 'new' aluminum case transmissions and the problems they were having early in the model year. I'm not an expert on the crank changeover, and it's entirely possible the transmission changed at the start of the '62 year, and the crank did not.
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Posted: Jun/03/2012 at 8:13pm |
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The trans itself isn't an indicator of the crank change. The torque converter would have to be different, not the trans. All I can tell you is that I've seen several 62 Classics have the "volcano" crank with the aluminum auto, but all after 62 have the flat crank. We've had a discussion about this on the AMC-List and had two people with 62 Classic (one with two of them, three cars total) all with "volcano" cranks and AL trannys. Could just be a few thousand early Classics (actually made in 61) were made with the "volcano" crank. I do know that the engine plant often made changes based on calendar year instead of model year. I've never seen a 62 American with a "volcano" crank though, not on an engine that was original to the car (or at least a correct range date code) anyway.
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