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    Posted: Feb/07/2018 at 1:50pm
Next week my rebuilt 196 OHV is going back in my 63 Classic. When I took everything apart to get the engine out of there I didn't take many pictures. I was wondering if any of you can help me out and send me pictures of your engine bay or post them here. I need pictures (close ups too) of pretty much everything, also carburetor linkage. This will at least give me an idea of where everything goes and what connects to what. I got some pictures off Google but they don't do much justice. Anything is appreciated Big smile
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Below are a couple photos of the 196 going back into our '64 American after a refresh.  This is just what I had on-hand while in front of the computer.  Let me know if you need anything more specific after these and I can try to help.



















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Hydromike,
Your carb/accelerator linkage is missing a spring, a washer, and a cotter pin!
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Originally posted by ramblinrev ramblinrev wrote:

Hydromike,
Your carb/accelerator linkage is missing a spring, a washer, and a cotter pin!

Well, sorta.  It is missing the the flat steel "overtravel" spring in the above picture, but Galvins set me up with one.  There's no provision on the '64 (or '65, apparently) American linkage for the small coil spring/washer/cotter pin setup, although my '57 does have that (and the overtravel spring).  The overtravel spring was missing when I got the car and I have every reason to think it was driven this way for some time.  About 75% of the travel in the accelerator pedal was useless until you took up all the slack that is supposed to be occupied by that spring.

Here's a shot of the spring installed and the parts diagram for that year.









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Mike,
You've got the rod in the wrong slot, and it should have the washer, spring, cotter pin.
The bent end goes in the outside flange hole and not through the middle. It comes out the other hole in the other side of that flange and is secured with a cotter pin!
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If you're running an automatic be sure you connect that kickdown cable!
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Originally posted by ramblinrev ramblinrev wrote:

Mike,
You've got the rod in the wrong slot, and it should have the washer, spring, cotter pin.
The bent end goes in the outside flange hole and not through the middle. It comes out the other hole in the other side of that flange and is secured with a cotter pin!

I certainly understand what you mean and I struggled with it when I was first figuring out what I was missing on my linkage.  Below is the page from the parts catalog showing the linkage style you're referring to.  This version has the larger "hooked" bend to the linkage which slides in through the top hole and then uses the spring/washer/cotter pin, which are shown on the diagram (but absent from the one in my previous post).  The version on my American is the "L' bend style and there's no possible way that the geometry allows for the linkage to go in through the top hole of that linkage.  That, and my linkage isn't even drilled for the cotter pin.  





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Mike,
I can't quite tell from your picture, but either your carb lever is missing one side of that squared-off U shaped bracket, or you have the linkage rod in the middle of that u-shaped piece. Look carefully at the diagram at "connection" 4.070. All the pieces I'm describing are in the diagram, but not on your car.
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There are two variations.  One setup uses the small coil spring and cotter pint and one does not.  The parts you're referring to are clearly absent from the first diagram, which is the setup I have.  The way the first diagram is drawn, it's easy to interpret it as though the shaft goes in through the top hole, but it does not.  The second diagram shows the variant with the off-set bend in the shaft, which allows it to enter the top hole in the linkage bracket and then use the spring/cotter pin (AND the overtravel spring).  

I tried looking around the forum here to see if I could snag another picture of somebody with my setup and so far this is the best I could find.  This is good because you can see the empty "top" hole on the linkage that this style shaft doesn't use.

This is good dialogue, because I don't know which style the original poster has and it's a bugger if you think there's just one style.



EDIT:  So check this out.  THIS fella looks like he's missing the spring!



Another thing to note on these two different linkage styles is that on mine, the accelerator cable pulls from the top of the shaft (counterclockwise rotation) when viewed from the back.  On the image above, it's a clockwise rotation.


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Ok Mike,
I see your point! Thanks for good pictures!

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