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Originally posted by tsanchez tsanchez wrote:

Originally posted by uncljohn uncljohn wrote:

Originally posted by RamblinMan RamblinMan wrote:


I guarantee my motor will run without detonation if I use it as designed and feed it what it was designed eat.

That is a statement that can be made about any motor. If you design it to run on AV Gas and only with in a 15 mile radius of where it is built, that is a safe bet.
But if you plan on taking a road trip and it can not run as designed due to the conditions undertaken on said road trip, plan on making use of a towing service to get it home.

I just took my car on a 1200 mile road trip, 12.4 -1 compression and driving on 89 octane pulling a trailer. Seems to have survived, and two years ago went 1300 miles and survived. I guess im luckyLOL

An engine can be made to do what you want if build correctly, and no its not a crutch its a design parameter. 

Making 700ish hp with 436 inches and no power adders, drive on pump swill  and be reliable is very difficult but can be done

So what unclJohn is saying the 12:1  .040 over silvolite piston'ed 9000 rpm redline 302 I drove on a 4200 km trip on 89 octane fuel should have destroyed itself .... Hmmmmm I find that absurd. last I heard it was still pulling a Mustang along at 140 + mph .......
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Original poster, determine your needs, the fuel you will use, the cars use and your wants, then post them here and Ill try and give a honest answer. I can build a 9-1 engine that will rattle itself to death so compression isnt the determining factor.
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And I am sure that representatives from automobile companies around the world are standing in line to learn how you made something work that they are unable to do so.
I call it the way I see it. And I see a lot of folks with broken engines. I stand with what I said, building and engine that has more compression then the fuel available to run it with is a fools mission.
Your engine, your money and I really don't care how you pee it away.
I do care when start deluding others.
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Actually, car manufacturers all over the world are building engines with more compression than ever before. They are using the "crutch" of cam timing to allow it. You are basing your opinion based upon your failures, others of us base our assertions on our successes.

There were plenty of people who called the gasoline internal combustion engine, a "fool's errand."
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Hmmm my 2004 NEON...... 2.0  run's 11:1 compression from factory. on regular gas. so do thousands of others .compression + fuel grade are not the deciding factors if an engine lives or dies. timing set up.. advance curves . too much fuel not enough fuel . running temp . all have a place in what happens when that plug fires . 
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... problem is the OPs question asked for max compression on pump gas with Edelbrock heads, so those who responded conservatively were assuming conservative street build. Others considered more the limits of what can be done with pump gas. This is what leads to comments ranging from 9:1 to over 12:1 as possibilities.

The dynamic compression ratio calculation is just a tool. It helps, but isn't conclusive in saying an engine will or will not ping, e.g. my engine has a lower DCR with the 250@0.050" cam and aluminum heads than it had with the 224@0.050" cam and iron heads, but tends to ping a bit more with the bigger cam depending on the tune and the loading.

If we could somehow add the sensors, electronic controls, direct injection, variable cam timing, bore size, combustion chamber & piston design, etc. of today's engines, then we could run today's compression on lower octane gas with mild combos without concern ... but would be simpler, cost less, have lower emissions and burn less fuel to simply fit a modern engine.

Uncljohn's response is reasonable for a mild build. Nothing wrong with being conservative if that's what you're after.   

Tony's response was best ... asking for more specifics of the OPs plans to give a better suggestion as to what will work for his application.

Thanks,RD.
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