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stick with the wide ratio trans I have had both and absolutely hate the close ratio like said second gear is useless if you want more get out of way power jump up in the rear end
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69 amx 290 auto
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6PakBee
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I had a '77 Plymouth Volare` with the 318, overdrive 4spd, and a 3.21 rear end. In that transmission the gear ratios were 3.09, 1.67, 1.0, and 0.71. It was a streetable combination but that was admittedly a tall hill from first to second.
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Roger Gazur
1969 'B' Scheme SC/Rambler 1970 RWB 4-spd Machine 1970 Sonic Silver auto AMX All project cars. Forum Cockroach |
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gnrand
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Thank you for the responses. The five speed sounds like the way to go but I would like to keep the car stock. Just curious, what is involved in the conversion.
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1968 AMX
1986 Buick GN 1965 Corvair Corsa 1966 V8 Corvair 1969 Scrambler Stock 1969 Scrambler Modified |
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blue68AMX
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Put a T5 in my 70 AMX last winter and it’s best thing you can do to make it more modern and drivable. Just follow the posts here and it’s easy. No driveshaft cutting involved.
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Al
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TX390AMX
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First off, finding a 2.64 or 2.43 first gear T-10 is not that easy. As another poster said, a decent, quality rebuild will run you at least $1000 for a T-10. Some will say it can be done cheaper. Yes, it can, but I said a 'quality' rebuild. Doing it twice is not very cost effective.
Swapping a close ratio (2.23) T-10 for a wide ratio T-10 is as simple as unbolting one transmission and installing another, they are the same externally, including the shifter mounts. Of my 4 AMX's, I have 3.15, a 3.54, a 3.73 and a 4.10 rear axle ratios. All are 390's, some hotter than others, all have the 2.23 close ratio T-10. They differ widely as you might expect. The 3.15 is comparatively slow off the start, runs to 40MPH or so in 1st gear with no problem, but cruises at 65 at well under 3000 RPM. The 3.54 I haven't driven on the street, but it gets off the line much easier. The 3.73 car is a blast to drive around town, not so much on the highway as 65 MPH is approaching 4000 RPM. The 4.10 car is a drag car, not suitable for street use at all, unless you just want to make smoky burnouts in the first three gears! In the end, it's your call. I think the 3.54 rear end is a good compromise with the close ratio T-10. Rear ends are an easier swap than finding a good wide ratio transmission in my opinion. And don't forget, the reason the 2.23 is so widely used behind the 390's, the lower geared 2.43 and 2.64 wide ratio transmissions were deemed to weak to stand up to the torque of the 390's. The lower first gears on these units multiplied the available torque of the 390 to levels that were considered beyond the capability of the transmissions to reliably handle. Many on here will disagree, but AMC limited the wide ratio transmissions to the 290 and 343 engines in 68/69, only allowing the 2.23 close ratio behind the high torque 390's. I'm sure with moderate driving, a wide ratio box would survive a 390. Question is, can you drive your 390 moderately? I don't. What would be the point? |
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Terry
68 AMX 390 4 Sp Rally Green 68 AMX 390 4 Sp Matador Red 68 AMX 390 4 Sp Calcutta Russet 56 Chevy Sedan Delivery 2016 Can AM Spyder 55 Chev pickup |
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gnrand
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I can get either a 2.43 or 2.64 T10 for a lot less then $1000. I am just debating and asking for opinions. Still not sure if it is worth the effort. Maybe I should
also look into a 5 speed. Jeff |
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1968 AMX
1986 Buick GN 1965 Corvair Corsa 1966 V8 Corvair 1969 Scrambler Stock 1969 Scrambler Modified |
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tomj
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I think it's worth making a spreadsheet (I can give you one but there's lots out there) and spending time looking at RPM/MPH overlaps, aka shift points. The T5 I bougt from Modern Drive Lines has a sort-of close ratio, but the devil's in the details.
Here's a small section of mine: Oh boy, see if this link works. I'm on a Chromebook trying to share a link to a Google Sheets spreadsheet. Wish us all luck I hope we survive: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ujPW9KEEj2_dF4wGR88_eJ7jJetEPD3yQnmmNiQrwfQ/edit?usp=sharing too complicated I'll type: SPREAD (jump in ratio from lower gear) 1st: 2.95 2nd: 1.94 52% 3rd: 1.34 45% 4th: 1.00 34% 5th: 0.73 37% The spread from 1st to 2nd is much larger than the one from 4th to 5th, the reasoning -- and reality -- is that at lower speeds/higher gear ratios there's more torque at the rear wheels (low gear) so you can "jump further" to the next gear, htan you can at the same RPM in say 4th, where the torque-at-the-wheels is lower, so closer ratios are better. I'm a junkyard-parts, make-do kind of person. This the first, probably only, time I went for a store-bought solution. This time at least it was worth it (it was a project in long planning so I saved over a year for it). Whatever you call this spread, it completely transformed the car. Not only is there always a "good gear" there's often two. Edited by tomj - Feb/23/2020 at 9:40pm |
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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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Sonic Silver
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At 65 mph and stock tire size, a 3.15 gear should be turning around 2,700 rpm. A 3.73 gear about 3,100 rpm, and a 4.10 about 3,400.
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tomj
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OK, lemme see if this works... this *should be* a link to a Google Sheets spreadsheet, for the current setup of my roadster. You should not be able to modify it, but you should be able to copy it and make your own copy.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12KbOrlIffUJsPTuDDORZ0gTWGeOHELtV5OtT7zN-PF4/edit?usp=sharing change only the GREEN numbers. axle, gear ratios, tire size.
Edited by tomj - Feb/23/2020 at 11:24pm |
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1960 Rambler Super two-door wagon, OHV auto
1961 Roadster American, 195.6 OHV, T5 http://www.ramblerLore.com |
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Sonic Silver
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Edited by Sonic Silver - Feb/24/2020 at 9:58am |
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